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@Anonymous: Not all PR...@Goldfries: you're welcome!<br />@Anonymous: Not all PR agencies in Malaysia think the same. I suppose that's fair knowledge that you need to know.davidlianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446293571375339579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-68119063083179885542009-04-26T00:46:00.000+08:002009-04-26T00:46:00.000+08:00Interesting. I'm toying with the idea of joining a...Interesting. I'm toying with the idea of joining a PR agency. Though I have no idea what PR is all about, but reading the bountiful information about PR and coming across this, deems useful to me now. Keep this up. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-37744549351223810122009-04-04T23:30:00.000+08:002009-04-04T23:30:00.000+08:00David - Thank you for not harassing me. :DDavid - Thank you for not harassing me. :Dgoldfrieshttp://www.goldfries.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-37995235443418194342009-04-02T17:26:00.000+08:002009-04-02T17:26:00.000+08:00@Eyeris: Exactly, and any PR person worth his salt...@Eyeris: Exactly, and any PR person worth his salt won't harass you to publish if their news was really, not news at all!<BR/><BR/>@Desiree: Long time no hear from you! I think the human aspect comes out more in peer- / social-media much more than trying to achieve the message / objective. <BR/><BR/>Not every blogger thinks about his / her next post all the time. Even when they attend your event, they're there as a "guest", not thinking what's the story? That's one more thing to differentiate media and peer / social media.davidlianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446293571375339579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-9815067850581440692009-04-02T16:23:00.000+08:002009-04-02T16:23:00.000+08:00David, good one! I have to agree. Also the simple ...David, good one! I have to agree. Also the simple fact that certain PR people seem to keep on sending press releases and invites to bloggers "as if that was their full time job" would surely cheese them off sooner or later. Like Shaolintiger mentioned, for most bloggers its just a hobby and they do have day jobs. <BR/><BR/>It's important for a PR practitioner to understand their clients objectives and key messages and at the same time suit it to a particular columns/writer need.<BR/><BR/>PR is something very subjective to me. Every PR activity is about learning something new but it's the challenge of making things work out positively for everyone concerned without offending anyone in the process; that make the job interesting.Desiree Kaurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01617885133360445691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-37867290673807494572009-04-02T15:07:00.000+08:002009-04-02T15:07:00.000+08:00It doesn't happen very often, but if there is noth...It doesn't happen very often, but if there is nothing interesting to report at an event, I don't even bother writing anything for the paper. Of course, a feature writer has different priorities to say, tech, news or metro reporter, but bottomline is, if there's nothing interesting to report, we won't bother writing about it...eyerishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683482201936973267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-3470059432526042012009-04-02T11:14:00.000+08:002009-04-02T11:14:00.000+08:00@Jon: You study mass comm meh? I can give u my pas...@Jon: You study mass comm meh? I can give u my past coursework if it's still relevant. Hahaha...davidlianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446293571375339579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-84218302451926611252009-04-01T20:14:00.000+08:002009-04-01T20:14:00.000+08:00thanks David, pretty handy information, i can use ...thanks David, pretty handy information, i can use it for my upcoming PR Writing test.Jon hingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-66787057965533070702009-03-31T10:00:00.000+08:002009-03-31T10:00:00.000+08:00@ST: Thanks for commenting. I'd venture to say tha...@ST: Thanks for commenting. I'd venture to say that the PR = Marketing blur is something that not only plagues social media but the traditional media. <BR/><BR/>Marketing-wise: to latch onto why only the 'few' get chosen for marketing campaigns, I think its down to merit and the very fact that the 'few' have the audience the client wants to engage.<BR/><BR/>@KY: Thanks.davidlianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446293571375339579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-62978151559271389132009-03-30T23:09:00.000+08:002009-03-30T23:09:00.000+08:00Very well said, David. I think most of the problem...Very well said, David. I think most of the problem is just as you said, some PR people getting a little confused about selling coverage to clients instead of doing PRKYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02770044511950654660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-9537037810917269742009-03-30T23:01:00.000+08:002009-03-30T23:01:00.000+08:00Yah there's a problem with people confusing th...Yah there's a problem with people confusing the different entities too.<BR/><BR/>There's often:<BR/><BR/>Client -> PR Agency -> Marketing/Advertising Agency -> Media Buying Agency -> Creative Agency -> Online Agency -> Media Owner/Media Network<BR/><BR/>And sadly there's often a distinct lack of communication between the parties which inevitably the PR people end up taking the flak for.<BR/><BR/>You make some very valid points, so I hope people read both your post and mine.<BR/><BR/>I generally agree with what chloeee says, but the problem that occurs here with the ad campaigns going to the same people is there just isn't that many good quality bloggers in Malaysia.<BR/><BR/>Not enough people can write evocatively or emotively or even string a grammatically correct sentence together.<BR/><BR/>There are far too many blogs with tiny traffic and far too few with substantial traffic.<BR/><BR/>The same goes for agencies and clients, they don't always want to use the same people - but there's just not enough talent to go around.<BR/><BR/>Kind of the same reason if you go to events or watch TV/movies it's ALWAYS the same hosts/emcees/actors.ShaolinTigerhttp://www.shaolintiger.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-5466518780598575822009-03-30T19:51:00.000+08:002009-03-30T19:51:00.000+08:00Chloeee: Thanks for your comment. Let's not co...Chloeee: Thanks for your comment. Let's not confuse advertising with public relations here. There are guys out there doing online marketing, and interactive advertising and social media marketing. Public relations intersects at some points with those, but if the whole idea of the PR exercise is just to market a product or a service, then we've missed the point.<BR/><BR/>Paying to plug is a marketing initiative.<BR/><BR/>PR is about establishing a relationship with your audience, taking the time to listen to that feedback and keeping communications channels open - regardless of who they are, so long as they remain relevant.<BR/><BR/>As a blogger myself, I'd feel cheesed off if I thought the only reason a brand ever interacted with me was to sell me something or get me to write something up.<BR/><BR/>As a PR practitioner, I never promise clients coverage on such & such blog. Only honest, frank conversations with the right people, and only on the condition they are open and honest too. If the blogger writes something about his / her encounter with the brand at the end of the day, then it'd be an honour and a blessing.davidlianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446293571375339579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1630791402854049329.post-73126681644212361972009-03-30T19:40:00.000+08:002009-03-30T19:40:00.000+08:00i think the problem comes when every tom, dick and...i think the problem comes when every tom, dick and harry can be "the voice" of a company/product, when the PR people stop imposing stricter standards as to the number of people, the quality of the chosen pool of bloggers, as well as the "expiry date" of the chosen blogger.<BR/><BR/>social media is powerful. but when this particular "whatever sphere" gets too saturated with wannabes who want to land a deal (ie blog and earn quick cash), and the top players who lands every deal, and represents one too many product - it becomes repulsive, to the general public who is not blinded by this "social media" fad to begin with. <BR/><BR/>i think on top of setting the right expectations, PR people who whose company reaps large profits off social advertising, needs to look after the quality of social media. on the matter of who plugs the products, there are too many bloggers who have less than attractive personalities, those who can't string sentences, those who have little readership, those who have put themselves "out there" too much that they have long expired, so to speak. <BR/><BR/>PR people needs to spend a little more effort in picking the right kind of bloggers. there should be a slight exclusivity to who gets paid to plug, but at the same time if it's the same people all over again, people just roll their eyes and browse elsewhere. it's all about the balancing act.chloeee ♥https://www.blogger.com/profile/04488306102060098803noreply@blogger.com